Friday, 09 January 2009

  • Englishman Moving to New York. HELP!

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    Englishman Moving to New York. HELP!

    Okay, so I'm an Englishman through and through, always will be. I love my home and my country, but I have a tendency to get itchy feet and up and leave at a moment's notice. I don't have a mortgage or family tying me down here, in London, and I've reached that point where it's time to do something else. On impulse I have decided I'm moving to NewYork.

    I've never done anything like this before, as in actually move my life across an ocean to somewhere I know basically nothing about and have no friends or relatives there. Let's put it this way: about the biggest connection I have to New York is watching re-runs of Friends on the TV. I also know a very minimal amount about immigration and visas to the states from here.

    In my attempts to further my knowledge and prepare for this major change in my life I have trawled the web a little, but am completely baffled by US immigration. There are something like 70 different types of visas! My gosh people, that's just overwhelming. So, I come to you wise and plentiful readers searching for help and answers.

    You mayneed some more information about me to give more perspective to my situation, so here goes:

    I am a 23 year old male. I have no criminal record and a fully valid UK passport. I am a full UK citizen and always have been. I graduated in Computer Science two years ago and have since been working various jobs; I have a rather extensive resume for my age, my most significant job being an IT consultant and other jobs revolving around office temping and IT support. I have some savings, at least enough to live on for maybe a month or more without work.

    Here aremy current thoughts:

    • Visa – What I'm after is a temporary working visa. I know that, for UK citizens, it is possible to get a visa that allows you to work in Australia and Canada for a limited time, something like a year or two, as long as you are under a certain age, 30, I think. Can anyone tell me if there is a similar thing for the US? If so, please let me know where I can find out more about it.
    • Work – I am willing to look into anything if need be but my preference would be towards office work, at least initially. How does office temping pay in the states? I'd really rather not have to rely on tips from a service based job like bartending, though I in no way look down on such employment. I'm pretty decent at finding work for myself in London but are there any New York specific job hunting tips I should know? If you can get me a job before I actually come over, I will love you forever and give you... erm... something... maybe something English. Find me a job and you'll find out!
    • Money – I realise that New York is going to be expensive but as I already live in London, which is pretty dear as it is, does anybody know how they compare in terms of cost of living? How much should I be expecting to pay for rent in an area of Manhattan for instance? Are there any particular areas anyone could suggest that would be a) safe and b) affordable. Examples or websites would be a great help, please.
    • Safety – I've never lived in a country full of guns before; this scares me. I'm extensively well travelled and have never had any trouble with crime anywhere in the world. Is crime in New York really as bad as the media and movies portray? What tips would you give for staying safe in New York? Which areas should I avoid at night? Which areas should I just plain avoid, period!?
    • Finally, Timing – My current plan is to save up a little more money here and I'm looking to come across in about March/April time. Is there anything I should be aware of during that period, I don't know, like that it's rainy cold season or burn the Englishman day or something Friends forgot to tell me!?

    Okay,that's all I've got for now. If I think of more, I'll add to this later. Thanks in advance to everyone who helps me (and remember much love for work... wait that sounds really wrong... erm). So yeah, cheers guys and gals.

Comments (26)

  • obrien33@xanga

    oh wow, I admire you for doing something like this and I'd like to help if I can. I live in NJ... about 20 minutes from the city by train.

    Visa: that is definitely a tricky process, I know cause my family immigrated to this country too. My best advice when looking up information about such things, stick to government websites! anything that ends in .gov is guaranteed to be truthful and helpful information. it may be tough to navigate but never hesitate to send e-mails or call the numbers. http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

    Work: Now is a very tough time to come to the States and find work, especially something like office work. Don't be surprised if you have to end up working at a bar or restaurant because they are easier to get. Be prepared to work odd hours as well. your best bet would be to check classified ads in newspapers or online job sites. http://newyork.craigslist.org/ http://jobmarket.nytimes.com/pages/jobs/

    Money: I was in London a few summers back for 3 weeks so I know the exchange rate will definitely benefit you. However, NY is an expensive city to live in. Don't try to live in Manhattan right away and I wouldn't suggest Staten Island, not if you want the full NY experience. Brooklyn, the Bronx and Queens are your best bet for finding affordable and safe housing. Again sites like craigslist and newspaper classifieds can help with your hunt.

    Safety: I can't tell you where not to live cause danger can be found anywhere. It would help if you narrowed down where you thinking to live and then checked them out for yourself before renting. Though that may involve spending a little time in a hotel or something, at least you'll get to see where you'll be living. Every bourough has its good and bad parts but as for how the movies portray the city, no its not that bad.

    Timing: lol, no there is no burn the Englishman day (then again I'm from Jersey so I'm not sure). Your timing sounds pretty good, it'll still be cold but not necessarily snowing. And you'll really get to see the beauty of NY in the spring as it blossoms to life.

    Hope all this helps... feel free to contact me if you need help. Sorry I can't find you work :(. Best of luck!
  • ivorygem@xanga

    I second trying craigslist for jobs and gov websites for visas. Also, if you have any ideas in mind for particular companies you'd like to work for, contact them directly through their website or HR.


    Rents in Manhattan are ridiculous. Studios are on average around $2000, but it's definitely possible to find them for $1500 or less, especially in certain parts of the East Village, Upper East Side (more towards the river), and Chinatown/Little Italy. All these hoods are rather safe for the most part. Brooklyn and Queens are also great options, but depending on where you live, the commute to Manhattan can take about an hour.


    On the whole, I think Manhattan is very safe. I have no problem walking around midtown and many parts of downtown at night by myself.


    It might still be a little chilly/snowy in March, but April and May are wonderful.


    Good luck with your move!

  • WhenHateIsTheOnlyOption@xanga

    Very very risky especially when it comes to employment. Have you researched the city? There's more to NY than an episode of "Friends" which I don't even think that's how real New Yorkers act. Hmm.....better than California;most of our residents can't speak English or are legal residents

  • wonderlanndd@xanga

    i feel you, dear, i've just moved to scotland from the states.


    on visas: now, as far as i know, you need a job before you come here. that's so your employer is your sponser. that doesn't mean you can't leave your job, but your visa will have a specific category of work that you can do and you MUST stick to that. check unitedstatesvisas.gov


    for work: to be fair, i don't know what to tell you. craigslist may have jobs, but who knows how legit they are. if you have a specific industry to work in, that would make it easier.


    money: the exchange rate right now is about 1.48 dollars to the pound. meaning for evey pound you get 40 extra pence or so. new york, in that respect would be a bit cheaper than london, but not too much. dont go to tourist traps or take cabs, you'll be fine.


    safety: i love that everyone apparently owns a gun! well, to be fair, most people dont have a liscense and if they do they wont be carrying a gun around unless they're a cop. also, i'd say that the danger is about the same as rougher areas of london, maybe a bit more like glasgow. don't dress too flashy in normal neighborhood, show off all your money, youll be fine.


    timing: once it hits summer, you'll miss the cold. but when you move, it should be mild, around 16 degrees celcius. and people love english accents!

  • namburgers@xanga

    Too bad you're not a female.  I would've asked if you wanted to get married then you can bypass that Visa thingamajig. 

  • Create_Passion@xanga

    Congrats on being brave enough to totally pick up and move over here, that's awesome!

    Ok, so I really have no idea about Visas (this is the part where I feel very uneducated) but I think those who've commented before me gave some good tips.

    As for work, as a computer science major I think you're chances of finding a job are a bit higher simply because they're higher in demand than other people. I don't know if you need to have a job in order to get a Visa, but in any case here's something I learned: because there are so many people applying for jobs and sending hundreds of resumes every day on things like Craigs List, you might be better off finding a temp agency because they will set up interviews for you with no cost for you. Companies don't have time to go through and respond to hundreds of resumes so they higher these agencies to match up employees for them. Chances of finding a job are higher and trust me I know from experience the ratio of resumes you send out on your own to the calls you get back is like 1:15. It's not pretty.

    DO NOT live in the city right away. It's SUPER expensive. Though you are coming from London so the exchange rate might help you out a bit. But I don't know your financial status, however I can give you an example of how expensive it is. My friend and 3 roommates live on the Upper East Side and they are each paying $600 a month not including utilities. That's a bucketload of money. I would try the other boroughs like Brooklyn and Queens and if you want to be close to the city that's definitely possible. I'm in Brooklyn and I'm only 40 minutes from the city by train. Brooklyn is actually becoming the new place to live, or so I hear.

    Safety, haha. Well I grew up in Brooklyn and no it's not as horrid as people make it seem. I've traveled to other countries and felt less safe there what with all the warnings of "muggers" and "molesters." Clearly there are neighborhoods you want to avoid and you have to have city smarts but I'm sure you already have those seeing as your from London. But seriously it's really not as bad as people make it out to be, you just need to be alert and that's true of any place you live or travel to.

    As for timing, well I don't really think there is anything serious going on in March/April....haha, though since it's the beginning of spring-ish it might be super wet and rainy when you get here.

    Anyway, much luck to you!!!!! I hope I helped. And when you get here and need tips about the night life and what places to go to have a good time, I'll be more than happy to give you some tips.

  • SoHoian_NightOwl@xanga

    Manhattan, rooming with others would probably be around 600-700 per month but if you're going to get yourself a nice apartment with a bedroom and a living room in say, SoHo or midtown manhattan it would cost around 1000 or more per month. You should always avoid the quiet areas of NYC and never walk in the bronx alone at night or some parts of Brooklyn. I do believe that converting pounds into USD will be beneficial for you :) 

      xx 
  • GoWithThat@xanga

    Hmm... if New York feels a little scary, why not try Toronto first?  It's commonwealth and easy for you to adjust to, and very North American so you can learn the ways a bit more before heading south to the big U S of A.

  • KiraWuzHerexD@xanga

    If you want a nice beach house for a cheap price with furniture if you buy the model house, you can go to arvenebythe sea
    yeah.
    just wanna say that
    like someone else said, do NOT go and live in manhatten. Try queens or brooklyn. Bronx wouldn't be my number one choice.
    First of all, New York isn't really as dangerous as movies portray it. It's just like it is(well, not exactly) in Friends.
    Try craiglist for roomates and cheaper rent.
    (: good luck.

  • furyyes@xanga

    My family up and moved from the UK to the US 15 years ago on a whim.  We love it here and my brother and I both ended up marrying Americans and will raise our babies here.  If you can, line up a job before you leave and you'll get help with the visa.  That's what my da did.  He was also in IT.  Also remember that the US is in a flux of economic change (and not the good kind) and a lot of US citizens are getting laid off left and right, so finding a job could be really hard...
    The gun thing freaked me out, but I only ever see them when my friends want to show them off -- and it's never "hands up or I'll shoot" it's just, hey, come check out my guns.  Of course, I do live in a different part of the country...

  • rainbwbrite@xanga

    I hope some of this helps, as I am not from NY but it's five minutes from me so maybe I will have some insight:


    Temp jobs are hard to even get.  The Tri-state area has been hit hard by the recession and the unemployment rate is through the roof.  Currently temp jobs start at around $10/hr-$12/hr.


    A studio apartment can easily run into the $1000 range per month.  Even if you are living in Hoboken, a one bedroom there goes for around $1500.  Subway tolls have also increased this past year but if you can foot it then at least you don't have to spend money on that.


    As far as the weather goes you don't have extreme weather conditions however, with all of those skyscrapers it gets super windy so even in Spring you would end up needing at least a light jacket. 


    NYC really isn't as dangerous as people would believe.  There are definatly blocks that I wouldn't go to but parts of the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens are really nice.  If anything, you just have to be street savvy because unless you are use to it, you'll think everybody is an asshole and they'll think you are a tourist.


    I could only really recomment a visit at most but to wait.  Unless you have a lot of money it's a hard area to make it.  Even living in NJ and commuting to NY to work is really expensive and a monthly train pass to Penn Station can easily run over $100 a month, NOT including subway or cab fare.


  • furyyes@xanga

    In the midwest, I've had temp office jobs paying 10-12 dollars/hour.  I don't know how closely they follow cost of living standards (it is MUCH cheaper to live in the midwest than either coast)... but if you have experience (which you do), I think you can expect to make at least 10.  If you can get a job... and not everyone is thrilled about hiring someone with a visa (hell, some places don't even like my green card and they would never even guess I wasn't American until we start the paperwork).

  • girafffes@xanga

    I live in new york, & it will probably be easier for you to transition here (except for the visa part) since money in london is worth much more than a dollar. You can find apartments in the city if you try looking on craigslist under new york (manhattan i assume) & they have various apartments etc. It's pretty safe as long as you don't seem like a tourist since thats who most people try to target because your more than likely loaded with money. I'm sure you'll find some kind of job here because it is the city that never sleeps ;). Finally remember that our spring/summers are always really hot & fall/winter really cold. Good luck in the city ! :)

  • s233500@xanga

    1st off: VISA's. You can come to the US on a 90 day tourist visa. That's really the only one you can get unless you get a company to hire you and sponsor an H1 visa for you to come over. But that's not really possible because the US govt only accepts applications for H1 visa's in April. H1 visa is a 3 year work visa that can be renewed only once. So you're best bet is to come over on the 90 day tourist visa and then job hunt for 3 months so that before the tourist visa expires you can apply in April for the H1. Check the US govt website before you come as some countries as of Jan 12th have to apply for the 90 day tourist visa (or any visa) in advance before their trip. If you come without having done this they send you back home immediately.


    As for getting married to get a visa, that doesn't work too well since you have to be married for 3 years before you can get your green card that makes it legal for you to work in the US. For those 3 years, can't legally work. So out of luck there. Also, the US does not allow the visa's like the ones for Australia and Canada. Sorry but we don't give preference for people from the UK.


    2nd: Work. From past experience temp work will be enough to barely pay the bills but probably not in such an expensive city such as NY. Try to get a "real" job. Although with the US economy as bad as it is and with how many people in business in NY have lost their jobs, it's gonna be hard to find a decent job anywhere. Good luck searching though. Best websites would be Monster.com and CareerBuilder.com.


    Money. Money wise you benefit from the exchange rate but NY is just as expensive as London so it won't help much. I remember living in London in '03 when the exchange rate was much better but it was still pricey. Sooo, don't expect to save any money by moving here.


    Weather: Use weather.com to search by city for local weather in NY. It can give you an idea of the normal temps. It can be pretty cold there in winter from what I here from relatives though. Again, like I mentioned earlier you might want to come sooner so that you can get a job that will sponsor you for an H1 visa in time to apply in April. Come in April and I can guarantee you won't find a job in time to apply for the visa.


    Hope these tips help out, I've done a lot of research trying to help my bf immigrate to the US. Now for me, it'd be really easy to immigrate to Japan. If we got married I could get a green card immediately and work legally right away, and if we had kids we'd get paid from the govt for each one born. I've heard it's somewhere in the ballpark of $10,000 and up each.


  • penndawg21@xanga

    As far as safety is concerned, you should be fine as long as you aren't looking to be a criminal yourself.  I lived in Cypress Hills in Brooklyn for about three years and never felt threatened though our apartment was robbed once or so, and my vehicle was broken into on one occasion.
    As far as moving to New York, that's a great idea if you can afford it.  I grew up in Pennsylvania and moved to NY when I was twenty.  The culture change was about the same as moving to a different country.

  • MoonFaeEyryan@xanga

    You're screwed with the visas.

  • greenbird321@xanga

    unholy-expensive; that's the first thing you need to know. New York is the greatest, most diverse, most exciting city on Earth...but you will end up paying over $1200(USD) for a 500 sq. ft. apartment.

    and, "a country full of guns"? what's so upsetting about that? you live in a country rife with knife violence, dear.
  • XcatfeeshX@xanga
    Good Luck!

    I don't think safety is as big of a deal as you might expect.  Same safety rules apply here as in London: lock your door, don't walk alone down dark alleys, etc.  I grew up in a rough neighborhood, but 99% of the violence was personal-- either the people involved knew each other, or they were in rival gangs. 
    I sincerely hope you can get everything lined up for this to happen!  It's an exciting opportunity, and there's definitely a lot to see and do in NY.  If you do come, though, make sure you get out of the city a bit and see more of America-- go to an Amish village, visit an Indian community, see our state parks and national parks, go to baseball and hockey games, go to DC and see the memorials and museums, head south for the cooking and accents... Have a blast! 

  • XcatfeeshX@xanga

    PS.  If you're willing to live somewhere outside of NY, search CNN's website for things like "best places to live" or "most economic growth."  I've heard states like North Carolina and Texas are still experiencing growth, despite the downturn in the rest of the country.  Also, you may want to ask your current and former bosses if they are in touch with any companies in the States, where they can put in a good word for you.  Personal connections can go a long way toward landing you a job. 

  • katethefish@xanga

    Well, since the US is in a recession right now, your Pound will be worth just about twice our dollar.  However living in New York is extremely expensive, and living quarters are terrible.  Not to mention it's very cold and there's a much heavier snowfall than in London.  I would suggest going somewhere else in New York/the US if you're looking for a job and a good experience because usually when someone who is very unaware of their surroundings in New York moves there with no outside help or set plan, they get taken advantage of.  At least, as a New Yorker myself, that's what I've observed.   

    Also, visas were made to be confusing.  All I can say is research as much as you can or contact a travel agency or something if you really can't figure them out.

  • shy__away@xanga

    I don't know much about finances and Visas, but i DO live 5 minutes away from New York City.


    NYC is not as bad as the movies portray. It's cleaned up quite a bunch, so you should fine as long as you ignore the crazies that occasionally appear. 
    NYC also IS TERRIBLY expensive and quarters are rather close, like Ms. Katethefish explained. Do keep in mind that we are in a recession. 
    Best of luck to you and welcome the the States!
  • Fairywife@xanga

    I just have a question..why new york? I mean. It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't LIVE there. Well..that's just my opinion. You do as you wish, and tell me how it turns out!

  • beandipandchiggersalsa@xanga

    Hey, mate, here's a link that spells out New York's gun laws. http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm The gist of it is, to own a firearm of any sort in the City, one needs a license. Usually, to get said license, one needs to complete a firearms course, background check, fingerprint check, etc. So, the people that own legal guns are generally very safe and responsible firearm owners. I wouldn't worry about everyone having tons of guns and flashing them around all the time. Best of luck to you.

  • The_Prestigiator@xanga

    New Yorkers have a love/hate relationship with New York --lots of things to do and strong night life but very expensive.


    I would offer some advice but people have given you great tips already so I don't want to confuse you. Just make sure you keep applying to jobs and I think with an English accent you have a leg up in any situation ...work, social, etc. (yes, most Americans love that English accent). good luck! :)

  • TheCheshireGrins@xanga

    You should be able to easily find visa information on the www.state.gov website!

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